Syria and me ← Hodor. How the press service of the Ministry of Defense lost the information war in Syria to three barmaley with a mortar
After Turkey shot down a Russian military plane, Moscow announced the transfer of the S-400 to Syria.
Jerusalem believes that the appearance of the S-400 in Syria ("in our backyard" - as they say in the General Staff) does not yet pose any threat to the security of the Jewish state - strong diplomatic relations have been established between Moscow and Jerusalem. But it is noted that one should not deceive oneself - the human factor creates the ground for unsafe precedents.
It is clear that if the Russians interfere with the actions of the IDF in Syria, Israel will do everything necessary to neutralize this new Russian threat.
The key to the S-400 will be found, if not already found, because Israel has a lot of experience in suppressing Russian air defense systems stationed in Syria
It is worth recalling the successful Israeli air raid to destroy the Syrian nuclear reactor in September 2007
Then, noting the complete suppression of Russian air defense systems during the attack on the Syrian reactor, foreign experts emphasized that the operation was carefully planned, and the Israelis managed to jam two radars in Syria, supplied by Russia and serviced by Russian specialists. One of these radars is located near Damascus, the second is closer to the Syrian-Turkish border.
American weekly Aviation Week. on its official website asks the question: how could Israeli aircraft F-15 and F-16 unnoticed by the Syrian air defense to spend so much time in the sky over Syria? What explains this? The sluggishness, unpreparedness or lack of professionalism of the Syrian military? Imperfection of their technique, lack of knowledge and technological capabilities?
Aviation Week gives the answer to this question with reference to a very informed source in the highest government spheres. It turns out that before Israeli planes invaded Syrian airspace, the radars of the Syrian air defense system were temporarily "blinded" by a state-of-the-art electron gun.
High-ranking Air Force officers and experts in the field of electronic warfare told the editor of the weekly, David Pulham, that the Israelis apparently used an electronic jamming system for enemy radars. even "intervene" in conversations, sending all sorts of misinformation to the parties.
The "stub" was so powerful that interference was felt not only in the operation of telecommunications in Syria itself, but also in Israel, Lebanon and Turkey
For recent years Israeli aircraft launched dozens of strikes on targets in Syria and the Russian air defense systems there were completely unable to withstand Israeli actions.
List of Israeli airstrikes in Syria
According to newsru.co.il
11th of November. Syrian and Lebanese media reported that the Israeli Air Force launched a series of strikes on targets near the Damascus airport. Presumably, Iranian weapons intended for Hezbollah were destroyed.
October 30. The Syrian opposition reported that the Israeli Air Force carried out strikes on Syrian territory. The strikes were carried out on the positions of government troops and the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah.
August 21st. The IDF Air Force attacked 14 objects of the Syrian government army located on the Golan Heights. This was a response to the rocket attack on Israeli territory.
August 20th. The Syrian state news agency SANA late on Thursday evening, August 20, reported on the strikes by the IDF air force on Syrian territory. According to the report, two administrative buildings in Quneitra were attacked. This operation was a response to the rocket attack on Israel.
July 29. Lebanese media reported that the IDF destroyed a car with militants in the Quneitra area. Five militants were killed.
April 27th. According to Arab media, the IDF destroyed a warehouse of Scud missiles intended for Hezbollah north of Damascus. There are dead and wounded on Syrian territory.
26 April. In the evening, on Syrian territory near the Israeli border, a group of terrorists laying a mine was destroyed by an air strike.
25th of April. According to Arab media, Israeli planes bombed warehouses with missiles of the Syrian army and the Lebanese Hezbollah group. One person has been reported dead.
2 April. The DPA agency reported that the Israeli Air Force attacked the positions of the Syrian army near Homs.
28 January. The Israeli Air Force attacked the artillery positions of the Syrian government army in response to the recent rocket attack on Israeli territory.
January 18th. Two rockets were fired from the air in the direction of a target located in the Quneitra area. As a result of the attack, high-ranking Hezbollah commanders and Iranian officers were killed.
December 7th. IDF aircraft attacked a Hezbollah convoy transporting a batch of missiles from Syria to Lebanon Russian production intended for Hezbollah. According to Arab media, two Hezbollah fighters became victims of the attack. This information contradicts the statement of official Damascus, according to which there were no deaths as a result of the attack.
24 February. An explosion near the Syrian-Lebanese border. The target of the attack was a Hezbollah convoy carrying from Syria to Lebanon a batch of surface-to-surface missiles capable of carrying more powerful warheads than virtually all missiles available to the Shia terrorist group. As a result of the air raid, four Hezbollah activists were killed.
January 27th. Powerful explosion near Latakia. The media claimed that a warehouse with Russian-made S-300 missiles was blown up.
October 31. An arms depot near Latakia was blown up, which allegedly stored missiles of the SA-3 complex (according to NATO classification) - it is also the S-125 Neva missile system or, in the export version, Pechora, intended for Hezbollah .
October 21. According to the Kuwaiti edition of Al-Jarida, the Israeli Air Force bombed several trucks carrying some military supplies for Hezbollah near the Syrian-Lebanese border. The information has not been confirmed by other sources.
5'th of July. To the east of Latakia, in Syria, an air strike destroyed a missile weapons depot (according to media reports, Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles were stored there).
5 May. A series of air strikes were carried out on military installations northwest of Damascus, in the Jemaya region (according to media estimates, more than 40 objects were attacked, including the headquarters of the 4th division of the Syrian army, underground bunkers with Scud missiles, bases of the 104th and the 105th brigades, etc.). Air strikes on targets in Syria on the night of May 4 were also reported.
January 30. As a result of an air strike on targets in Syria, a convoy carrying SA-17 (Buk-M1-2) missiles intended for Hezbollah was destroyed, while significant damage was caused to the CERS center, where chemical and biological weapons were developed.
Burnt and damaged Martin B-57B Canberra bombers of the US Air Force as a result of Viet Cong shelling from 82-mm mortars of the American Bien Hoa airbase near Saigon 11/01/1964 (c) manhhal
An interesting article on the recent shelling of the Khmeimim airbase and media hysteria:
- In my opinion, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, using the mortar shelling of Khmeimim as an example, demonstrated blatant incompetence, which resulted in an actual beating Russian army in the Western and Ukrainian media, about, in principle, an ordinary event for the war. Yes, tragic. people died, but ordinary.
To drag a mortar and make a series of shots is not difficult. It could be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. And this should be properly explained to society.
To defeat a huge group of militants who resisted armored vehicles and aviation and, sorry, miss the information agenda to three barmaley with a mortar - this must have an outstanding talent.
The army in Khmeimim is on duty, despite the New Year holidays. Why the press service in the Ministry of Defense allows itself to relax (or swell?) for the New Year holidays - I do not know.
I think that those who did this should be sent to Syria to escort caravans with humanitarian aid - to clear their brains. Let them from there, write reports. In a helmet and body armor. They are useful.
All of the above closely echoes recent material on the work of US aviation in Vietnam, namely, attacks on airfields and defense: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3037926.html
- According to American official data, only the US armed forces (excluding the armed forces of South Vietnam) from 1962 to 1973 lost in Vietnam on the ground only from mortar, artillery and rocket attacks (excluding sabotage) 393 aircraft and helicopters and another 1185 were damaged. The armed forces of South Vietnam, according to one source, from 1964 to 1973 lost 25 aircraft and helicopters on the ground destroyed and 305 damaged. These losses were incurred despite all the measures taken to protect the air bases, and, without such measures, the loss figure could have been many times higher. It is indicative that the greatest damage occurred in 1968, when about 500 American aircraft and helicopters were lost or damaged on the ground, despite the massive use of caponiers by that time and the dispersal of equipment at air bases.
Simply put, the situation with the attack on the air base is quite ordinary from the point of view of military operations and will be repeated more than once. Another thing is who will be held responsible for the mediocre work of the press service of the Ministry of Defense, which resulted in fanning hysteria literally out of the blue, disinformation, and discrediting the Russian Aerospace Forces.
American special forces in Syria
Sometimes in foreign media you can find interesting stories of foreigners who encountered Russians in various conditions. I somehow came across the story of a US Army Special Forces soldier who had previously been on a business trip in Syria.
Let's call him conditionally "John" (for some reason, the real name was not remembered, some unusual for our ear). So John ended up in Syria even before the start of the Russian Aerospace Forces operation. He regularly advised "bearded commanders", as he called the Syrian militants fighting against Bashar al-Assad, and trained simple "bearded men".
But then the Russians came. Together with the fleet and VKS a large number of Russian military advisers appeared in ground forces Assad. In addition, a direct competitor of John appeared in Syria - the Russian Special Operations Forces (SOF - Russian special forces for operations anywhere in the world, including in peacetime through covert operations).
Of course, the American was aware of these troops, just as he was aware of the character of the Russians. He worked under a contract, earned money and did not want to return to the US "a little lifeless." That is why he diligently avoided meeting with Russian special forces.
US Special Forces soldier in Syria
But fate decreed otherwise. The detachment in which John was located was located in close proximity to the line of demarcation between the formations of the Syrian army and opposition fighters. It was in this place that the Russian special forces began an operation to eliminate one of the terrorist field commanders, who was guarded by an American.
Immediately after the start of their operation, the Russians covered the defenders of the field commander with a volley from grenade launchers, after which their snipers immediately started working.
The American writes that he was saved from a volley by the fact that he quickly fell into a narrow passage between two boulders. After that, he carefully looked out and saw that his field commander had been eliminated. He began to retreat between the stones, but suddenly felt a sharp pain in the shoulder area, after which he lost consciousness.
Having completed the task, the Russian special forces went to their side (the fact that he was precisely Russian, the American determined by two or three commands that were given by the attackers in Russian - he did not know the language itself, but how could a professional separate it from Turkish or Arabic). John was taken out by helicopter and ended up in a hospital at one of the nearby US bases. In the hospital, the doctor, after examining his wound, told him the following:
You're in luck, soldier. It's good that the Russian special forces separated you from the local "bearded men" and realized that you are an American. This bullet in the shoulder is a farewell greeting from them.
Russian SOF sniper in Syria
John writes further that at that moment he remembered that Russian snipers always act professionally, and their bullets hit the heads of the "bearded" terrorists clearly. And the same thing could happen to him, if only the Russians wanted it.
Apparently, a clean-shaven face (unlike the local “bearded men”), specialized uniforms and his commands in Anglo-American slang allowed the Russian special forces to quickly determine during direct contact with the enemy that they were facing a US special forces fighter.
John says:
I am grateful to the Russian sniper for his “hello”, and I would even like to thank him personally, but this, given the specifics of our troops and our relations, is impossible. He left me alive, now I have received a large pension for the injury and live in the USA. Or it could be somewhere in the ground.
Thank you friend if you ever read this message of mine.
And I also realized that the Americans have nothing to do in Syria. There are Russians there, they will restore order, and we only interfere. But our government cannot prove this.
He literally replied as follows:
The story may be fake, but the fact that the Americans avoid clashes with our special forces is true. A familiar contractor on a business trip was in Syria. He did not participate in serious clashes, but there were skirmishes and the "amers" immediately retreated, and the "basmachi" followed after a couple of shellings. They only execute cool people on camera.
Although it should be remembered that the American special forces are also not boys, and most of them are members of Afghanistan, Iraq. I am Russian and I always believe in victory, but under no circumstances should you underestimate the enemy.
1) Well, if in Russia the people by 86% will support almost any aggressive actions against sovereign democratic Ukraine.
Or if it will be 60% for actions only against "evil benders who feed on Russian blood" (moreover, for smart and adequate people, there will be more weight data that is not 100% fictional, but at least with a connection in reality, so they themselves need extra aggression and mistakes remove) and of them only 20% for any aggression.
Those are 2 big differences.
And from the entire Internet, it can spread a little to the masses
2) Donbass, and later Crimea. It is important not to forget that these are not only territories, but also people with their own opinions.
Disagree.
The last couple of years have shown that simple discussions are no longer enough. This applies to both Ukraine and Russia, and probably any other post-Soviet country (or just a poor one).
If people disagree with something, but do nothing, politicians will do what suits their personal interests. And unfortunately, 90% of our (TM) politicians are either greedy thieves or populists, whose greed is also overwhelming.
In Ukraine, Yanyk decided to turn away from the European path. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It is important that people said "No, we want to go to Europe". And they went out into the street. And they stood. These people forced Yanyk to flee. If people had not taken to the streets, we would have already been in the Customs Union (again, we do not discuss whether this is good or bad).
I must say, we are observing this even now - if the attention of the media / activists is not riveted to some process, then the judges / officials will stir up and decide "as it should". As soon as some process began to shine, everyone suddenly tries to work. They can say for Ukraine - crookedly and slowly, but this format is starting to work. Not always, but important points- People got leverage.
In Russia, this is not yet visible. 86% either Crimea is Ours, or who_if_not_Putin, and the remaining 14% say they are not ready to fight these 86%. is this correct or not? Is it reasonable? I don't know. That's real - I don't know what I would do if I were a citizen of the Russian Federation. I would like to think that I would have found the strength to either organize some kind of movement or dump it to hell so that my taxes would not go to Novorossia, Syria and the Iskanders.
Without action - all garbage. If the people of Kiev (and other regions) were simply indignant that Yanyk-gad did not go to Europe, then he would be violet and he would do whatever he thought of. We are doomed for the next 50 years to have politicians who only think about their asses. The people must control them. No matter what anyone says, but Ukraine does it. It sucks and crooked, but the process has begun.
And the Russians-let them do what they think is right. That's honest - I would be deep purple on them as on North Korea but their politics affect my life a bit - i.e. prices, the army and the service of acquaintances in the ATO.
1) In general, I do not argue, but beliefs do not cancel everything else. And in a crisis, people's eyes often open, but they can look into different sides. It is not just that the Kremlin controls all the federal media, pushes propagandists to the show and uses Kremlinbots on the net. That's who doesn't like what, but here the hop and everything falls on external enemies. Putin has all the power, and Obama has all the negative responsibility. And even if 5% open their eyes in the right direction, that's good.
Beliefs (both good and harmful propaganda) affect people, but they are effective only when they find a piece of reflection in people.
Even if they don't take action, it's better than nothing.
There is one propagandist who has been shouting for many years that the dollar will collapse soon, and some people seemed to believe him, but now they are sending nah (although faith in the unsustainable public debt of the United States has not gone away)
2) Problems inside Ukraine need to be adequately, peacefully, but resolutely corrected, solved and a system built without these shortcomings. Economy. The government should not allow the actions of thieves and corrupt officials. Show that Ukraine can really.
But there is another. And she splits.
It is not necessary that the Ukrainians and embroidered be the same as the extreme wool. Xs in what way it helps the side to fight cotton wool, but it definitely brings problems. (And there would be less extreme wool.) I remember when Poroshenko tweeted. A bunch of degenerates from Ukraine began to curse him. I understand that difficult circumstances are to blame for 10% and maybe they seemed abandoned and there are problems with the authorities, but 90% of the reason is that these clerks are scum (perhaps most are just sofas) And such people harm Ukraine and everyone else. They scare away many groups of people and discredit them before Europe. Such from the very beginning brought huge problems (there were just fewer of them). Do not be like extreme wadded zombie aggressors with their propaganda
https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/660510310604894208
Assholes are heard better than adequate ones.